Andrea Dunlop

but certainly something that patients should be informed of. And then the last one, which I think is kind of the cherry on the sundae of this whole thing, is engaging in deceptive marketing and misinformation, including through the website. And so I think this whole thing is sort of Looks like a worst case scenario of what can happen in our for-profit medical system.

but certainly something that patients should be informed of. And then the last one, which I think is kind of the cherry on the sundae of this whole thing, is engaging in deceptive marketing and misinformation, including through the website. And so I think this whole thing is sort of Looks like a worst case scenario of what can happen in our for-profit medical system.

but certainly something that patients should be informed of. And then the last one, which I think is kind of the cherry on the sundae of this whole thing, is engaging in deceptive marketing and misinformation, including through the website. And so I think this whole thing is sort of Looks like a worst case scenario of what can happen in our for-profit medical system.

You know, these procedures were very expensive. The most frequently quoted number was $55,000. And again, because they're experimental, they're not going to be covered by insurance in a lot of cases. So there was confusion. you know, these details of them telling patients that they could try to submit it to their insurance to get covered, but often that they did not get it covered.

You know, these procedures were very expensive. The most frequently quoted number was $55,000. And again, because they're experimental, they're not going to be covered by insurance in a lot of cases. So there was confusion. you know, these details of them telling patients that they could try to submit it to their insurance to get covered, but often that they did not get it covered.

You know, these procedures were very expensive. The most frequently quoted number was $55,000. And again, because they're experimental, they're not going to be covered by insurance in a lot of cases. So there was confusion. you know, these details of them telling patients that they could try to submit it to their insurance to get covered, but often that they did not get it covered.

So these patients are paying out of pocket for these very, very expensive procedures. And again, when you have that much of a profit motive, it really calls into question why they are doing these things outside of the realm of medical consensus. Are they operating under their Hippocratic Oath to do no harm?

So these patients are paying out of pocket for these very, very expensive procedures. And again, when you have that much of a profit motive, it really calls into question why they are doing these things outside of the realm of medical consensus. Are they operating under their Hippocratic Oath to do no harm?

So these patients are paying out of pocket for these very, very expensive procedures. And again, when you have that much of a profit motive, it really calls into question why they are doing these things outside of the realm of medical consensus. Are they operating under their Hippocratic Oath to do no harm?

Yes. So it sounds like, yeah, can you tell us a little bit more about that, Bex, of like, this is not a procedure that they do in very specific circumstances. It sounds like that is, and I mean, even just the number of lawsuits that are associated with this speaks to that, right?

Yes. So it sounds like, yeah, can you tell us a little bit more about that, Bex, of like, this is not a procedure that they do in very specific circumstances. It sounds like that is, and I mean, even just the number of lawsuits that are associated with this speaks to that, right?

Yes. So it sounds like, yeah, can you tell us a little bit more about that, Bex, of like, this is not a procedure that they do in very specific circumstances. It sounds like that is, and I mean, even just the number of lawsuits that are associated with this speaks to that, right?

It's giving the picture of everyone who walks through a door gets this diagnosis and gets recommended to have this procedure, which is very concerning.

It's giving the picture of everyone who walks through a door gets this diagnosis and gets recommended to have this procedure, which is very concerning.

It's giving the picture of everyone who walks through a door gets this diagnosis and gets recommended to have this procedure, which is very concerning.

Yeah, no, it's all it's all true. And so that another thing that sort of came up again and again in these lawsuits was this idea that patients, including children, were being used as test subjects, which is dark. And the idea that they're doing these procedures as part of their research and then using their own research to uphold them doing these procedures.

Yeah, no, it's all it's all true. And so that another thing that sort of came up again and again in these lawsuits was this idea that patients, including children, were being used as test subjects, which is dark. And the idea that they're doing these procedures as part of their research and then using their own research to uphold them doing these procedures.

Yeah, no, it's all it's all true. And so that another thing that sort of came up again and again in these lawsuits was this idea that patients, including children, were being used as test subjects, which is dark. And the idea that they're doing these procedures as part of their research and then using their own research to uphold them doing these procedures.

And I think it also just like, you know, unfortunately, like, again, I think that we see many of us see where this is the worst system. to have where medicine is a business. And I think because these are, as you said, elective procedures, it's not to say that no one who has these conditions should ever have surgeries.

And I think it also just like, you know, unfortunately, like, again, I think that we see many of us see where this is the worst system. to have where medicine is a business. And I think because these are, as you said, elective procedures, it's not to say that no one who has these conditions should ever have surgeries.