Andrea Dunlop

And I think one last point about the sort of conspiracy of it, you know, what we see is actually the opposite. That even when there is every red flag and just the most damning evidence, I mean, I'm thinking about this case I'm working on right now, the most damning evidence that you could possibly imagine that abuse is happening is it is still hard to get doctors to buy in 100%, right?

You're still going to have your outliers that just really like the mom or they have strong feelings about parents' rights or they don't believe that Munchausen by proxy exists or they don't want to get involved. I mean, it's not easy to get doctors to recognize as a group that abuse is happening right in front of their faces because it's so against their training. It's so against their instincts.

You're still going to have your outliers that just really like the mom or they have strong feelings about parents' rights or they don't believe that Munchausen by proxy exists or they don't want to get involved. I mean, it's not easy to get doctors to recognize as a group that abuse is happening right in front of their faces because it's so against their training. It's so against their instincts.

You're still going to have your outliers that just really like the mom or they have strong feelings about parents' rights or they don't believe that Munchausen by proxy exists or they don't want to get involved. I mean, it's not easy to get doctors to recognize as a group that abuse is happening right in front of their faces because it's so against their training. It's so against their instincts.

And they always want to like something that I love and appreciate about doctors, but that also can really work against some of these cases is the doctors have this like need to get to the bottom of things and they will chase the wild goose chase diagnosis to the ends of the earth and ignore every red flag along the way for abuse. Like that happens really frequently.

And they always want to like something that I love and appreciate about doctors, but that also can really work against some of these cases is the doctors have this like need to get to the bottom of things and they will chase the wild goose chase diagnosis to the ends of the earth and ignore every red flag along the way for abuse. Like that happens really frequently.

And they always want to like something that I love and appreciate about doctors, but that also can really work against some of these cases is the doctors have this like need to get to the bottom of things and they will chase the wild goose chase diagnosis to the ends of the earth and ignore every red flag along the way for abuse. Like that happens really frequently.

So I think it makes it doubly unlikely that this group of people specifically is going to conspire about abuse because you can't even get them to do it. Yeah. Okay. All right. So what else, what else have we got in this third complaint? This is

So I think it makes it doubly unlikely that this group of people specifically is going to conspire about abuse because you can't even get them to do it. Yeah. Okay. All right. So what else, what else have we got in this third complaint? This is

So I think it makes it doubly unlikely that this group of people specifically is going to conspire about abuse because you can't even get them to do it. Yeah. Okay. All right. So what else, what else have we got in this third complaint? This is

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it is it's it's tricky once you're in a potential abuse situation because. And if you think about like something like a swallow study, well, if they're claiming that the child cannot eat and that child is, has a feeding tube and the hospital suspects that she doesn't need it, then they need to determine whether or not she needs it to properly treat that child.

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it is it's it's tricky once you're in a potential abuse situation because. And if you think about like something like a swallow study, well, if they're claiming that the child cannot eat and that child is, has a feeding tube and the hospital suspects that she doesn't need it, then they need to determine whether or not she needs it to properly treat that child.

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it is it's it's tricky once you're in a potential abuse situation because. And if you think about like something like a swallow study, well, if they're claiming that the child cannot eat and that child is, has a feeding tube and the hospital suspects that she doesn't need it, then they need to determine whether or not she needs it to properly treat that child.

And so I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I think it's, it like makes a lot of sense that they did that. Yeah. But we have, we have talked about that quite a bit, but it's, I think it's especially striking because of how many other extremely invasive procedures this child had had up until this point that it doesn't seem like a swallow study would stick out.

And so I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I think it's, it like makes a lot of sense that they did that. Yeah. But we have, we have talked about that quite a bit, but it's, I think it's especially striking because of how many other extremely invasive procedures this child had had up until this point that it doesn't seem like a swallow study would stick out.

And so I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I think it's, it like makes a lot of sense that they did that. Yeah. But we have, we have talked about that quite a bit, but it's, I think it's especially striking because of how many other extremely invasive procedures this child had had up until this point that it doesn't seem like a swallow study would stick out.

Right. Well, and it's not, and feeding tubes are not without risk, right? I mean, there's a risk of infection. There's, yeah. So that's not good medicine. Like you're, if you're giving a child a feeding tube that doesn't need one, that's not good medicine. That's not do no harm. And so, yeah, it's an interesting thought experiment of like, if they'd refuse the swallow study.

Right. Well, and it's not, and feeding tubes are not without risk, right? I mean, there's a risk of infection. There's, yeah. So that's not good medicine. Like you're, if you're giving a child a feeding tube that doesn't need one, that's not good medicine. That's not do no harm. And so, yeah, it's an interesting thought experiment of like, if they'd refuse the swallow study.

Right. Well, and it's not, and feeding tubes are not without risk, right? I mean, there's a risk of infection. There's, yeah. So that's not good medicine. Like you're, if you're giving a child a feeding tube that doesn't need one, that's not good medicine. That's not do no harm. And so, yeah, it's an interesting thought experiment of like, if they'd refuse the swallow study.

Yeah.