Andrea Dunlop

My sister didn't.

Hope Ybarra didn't.

There's many perpetrators that there are some perpetrators that come from abusive backgrounds.

There's some that don't.

It isn't this sort of like cyclical thing that it is in some other forms of abuse.

And so

You know, I think it's important to grapple with it.

And I think there are these pieces that really we have to kind of tease out when we're talking about it's not a single intervention.

There's the question of like, can this person be treated?

And I know you're going to have a conversation with Dr. Marie Sanders, who's a dear friend and

I think we were talking about also setting you up with Dr. Kathy Ayoub to maybe have a conversation for this show, which I think would be really helpful to you.

But, you know, yeah, it's like the treatment is very, very challenging with this.

Very challenging.

There's going to be the reality is there's going to be a very small number of perpetrators who are going to acknowledge their behavior.

And that's the first step for treatment.

So there is a treatment model.

There are, you know, there are steps they can take, but it's a lifelong recovery process.

And it's unlikely.

I think we can assume that, like, yes, we should look at treatment.

We should always hold that space.