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Andrea Gunning

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Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

But Jess wants Saskia to take this experience of learning to trust us and translate it into trusting others again in her everyday life.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

In addition to Marisa, Saskia has her friends, the ones you've heard from throughout the season.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

But it hasn't always felt easy to open up to them.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

Before Mike, Saskia was the silly, bubbly one in her friend group, no matter what she was going through on the inside.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

But connection is a two-way street.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

Sometimes her friends haven't known the best way to show up for Saskia, if they should or could talk about what happened.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

When we were in Maryland, I brought that up with Saskia's friend Heather.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

There's also the guilt her friends feel about what happened to Saskia.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

Looking back now, knowing what Mike was doing, Heather feels a lot of anger at herself.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

Remember, she was the friend that told Saskia to go through with the wedding after the first time Saskia saw something on Mike's laptop.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

It's uncomfortable to look back and wonder if you could have done anything differently.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

That guilt can make it hard to talk about what happened.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

But there's one more reason I think these friends don't talk about what Saskia went through.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

It's the reason why, for years, there weren't stories like this one out there.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

And it's a big part of why it took so long for men like Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstein, and Bill Cosby to be held accountable.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

We've all been taught not to talk about rape.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

It's too violent, too gross, something meant to be kept private, especially when it's perpetrated by a good guy, a powerful guy, or a partner.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

And in Saskia's case, there's digital evidence

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

The photos and videos of her rape that will live on on the Internet forever.

Betrayal Season 5
Waking Up | EP 10 | Saskia's Story

It's a horrific, ongoing part of Mike's crimes, one that is hard for anyone to talk about, even Saskia.