Andrea

Yeah. And then we asked them what stood out to them in the trial itself, like what moment stuck with them or surprised them or challenged them.

I also thought it was so powerful as someone who was watching the trial real time to see Jasmine's mom as the first witness on the stand, because not only did she look like Jasmine, it was sort of a representation of her. Yeah.

I also thought it was so powerful as someone who was watching the trial real time to see Jasmine's mom as the first witness on the stand, because not only did she look like Jasmine, it was sort of a representation of her. Yeah.

But she really was able to explain the panic that a mother or a parent would have when they're trying to find their daughter, which helped explain why they broke into Jason Chen's apartment.

But she really was able to explain the panic that a mother or a parent would have when they're trying to find their daughter, which helped explain why they broke into Jason Chen's apartment.

Yeah. And I feel like both General Womp and DA Paul Moyle, they saw you and the other jurors as part of that process. And they were counting on you guys to hold that weight alongside of them. I totally agree.

Yeah. And I feel like both General Womp and DA Paul Moyle, they saw you and the other jurors as part of that process. And they were counting on you guys to hold that weight alongside of them. I totally agree.

Yeah, I imagine.

Yeah, I imagine.

Yeah, there's a lot of confusion around what an appeal actually means. So we asked them to explain it in plain terms and to share what this particular appeal might involve.

Yeah, there's a lot of confusion around what an appeal actually means. So we asked them to explain it in plain terms and to share what this particular appeal might involve.

And from what we understand, this isn't uncommon at all. It's just the next step. Right. It doesn't make it easier, though.

And from what we understand, this isn't uncommon at all. It's just the next step. Right. It doesn't make it easier, though.

Yeah, and making this podcast, we ended up hearing from a lot of people, friends, family members, even folks who were quietly observing from the sidelines. And a few of them shared things that raised new questions.

Yeah, and making this podcast, we ended up hearing from a lot of people, friends, family members, even folks who were quietly observing from the sidelines. And a few of them shared things that raised new questions.

And we know by this point that Investigator Crawford has left Jason Chen a voicemail. Right. So we started wondering, was he looking for police activity, like scoping out the area around his apartment or maybe even looking, like you said, where Jasmine lived? Right. So we end up following the trail. But before we go there, here's a moment from episode six.

And we know by this point that Investigator Crawford has left Jason Chen a voicemail. Right. So we started wondering, was he looking for police activity, like scoping out the area around his apartment or maybe even looking, like you said, where Jasmine lived? Right. So we end up following the trail. But before we go there, here's a moment from episode six.

Right. And the interesting part is that we did see the tire tread in the back of his trunk. Right. But he never opened his trunk to notice kind of the treads of the suitcase.

Right. And the interesting part is that we did see the tire tread in the back of his trunk. Right. But he never opened his trunk to notice kind of the treads of the suitcase.

And then there's the mystery of the dropped pen. We had a conversation with someone who was with Jasmine at the hospital with her granny earlier. Remember her granny died the same day that she went missing. Right. So Jasmine was at the hospital. This person saw her on that same day, November 22nd.