Andrew Bustamante

And even as a podcaster, you're kind of forced to fit somewhere.

You're pushed to be on the right or pushed to be on the left or pushed to believe this or pushed to believe that.

And it takes, especially in the modern world with algorithms hitting you every day, it takes some restraint and thoughtfulness to try and remain open.

So I love that message.

And I hope for our audience that are listening, I hope that that's what they do as well.

Like even if they don't like a guest we have on the show or they have a different opinion, I hope you can at least bring yourself to listen and fight the cognitive dissonance, which is very natural in human instinct to hear them out and to allow those ideas to clash with your own, to arrive at your own conclusions.

Benjamin.

Where do we find more of your work, Benjamin?

You haven't written a book yet?

And Annie?

Where books are sold.

I mean, you've got a lot of them, but you write fantastic books.

Any particular one you would like people to read?

Okay.

Or start at the end.

I'll link them all below in the description so people can find them.

YouTube, and you've written this great book, Shadow Cell, which has been a smash hit.

New York Times bestseller, wasn't it?

Yes, sir.

It was.