Andrew Callaghan

That was, I think, in the November of 2019.

Probably six to, no, almost a year before the all gas breakup, a year and a half.

And that's what I really appreciate.

Thank you.

I also did the editing, too, so that was particularly puzzling.

No way.

Really?

Yeah, but when you have like...

People who don't create art and content, managing people who do, they don't understand the streamlined creative process.

They don't know how that works.

They think that they can sort of just like replace one crucial part of the operation with someone else they know and things will still flow.

But the thing is, people aren't mathematical like that.

No.

And, you know, they attempted to find new hosts.

for all gas, no brakes.

But by the time they were going down that road, I had already leaked the information to the New York times about what had happened.

And, you know, that got reported on.

So I didn't even really need to like, uh, wait a beat until I launched channel five.

I launched channel five, two months after all gas, no brakes ended.

And did you find that most of those people jumped right over to Channel 5?