Andrew Doyle

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast · 506. Europe Imploding | Andrew Doyle & Graham Linehan · 12 Dec 2024 podcast

But then you think, just put yourself in this position for a minute. You're like a foot and a half taller than the people that you're competing against and six inches broader in the shoulder. And when you get up on the podium and there's a claim, not only do you enjoy it, which is a sign that there's something seriously wrong with you to begin with, but you also are so deluded.

that you think you deserve it, and that you're a brave once victim for managing it. Now, just contemplate that. Imagine writing a script about that. Do you know how... staggeringly narcissistic you have to be to accept even one of those propositions, let alone to play yourself off as a heroic victim while you're doing it.

You knock these poor women off their podium and it's like you're the forthright champion of what? Civil rights or something. It's so sickening.

Well, I think there'd be two reasons. The first thing we need to understand is that the... camouflage in which the narcissists and butchers that we're describing enmesh themselves is in the camouflage of empathy. And empathy is a cardinal moral virtue. Now, the problem is, the problem starts when you believe that the fundamental essence of goodness is empathy, because that's wrong.

Goodness is much more complex than a mere one-dimensional analysis would presume. But if you're if I can accuse you of being non-empathetic, that's a pretty decent slur. Now, empathy also was a valid term impetus or motivation for many things that were laudable. So the American Civil Rights Movement, for example, right?

Now the problem is, is that it can, and this is the problem, this is being demonstrated time and again by game theorists working in the biological realm. Imagine you have a community of cooperators, a game that's set up so that people only cooperate. If everyone cooperates, the game can sustain itself and improve as it's played. But if you throw one shark into the tank, then it takes everything.

So empathy is a very useful foundation for social interactions. I trust you, and I trust you. Great, now we can cooperate. The problem is that if you get a community of cooperators established, Non-cooperators can move in and dominate. And so there's an ambivalence between trust and skepticism that's bound to emerge.

Okay, so we produced a society that was very trust-based in which empathy could function very effectively. And then it got weaponized. Now, it got weaponized by psychopaths and narcissists, fundamentally, and sadists. We know their type. They're Machiavellian, so they use language to get what they want. They're narcissistic, so they want undeserved attention.

They're psychopathic, so they're predatory parasites. And they're sadistic, so they're fun people. And they weaponize empathy and it's unbelievably effective.

Now, part of the reason it's effective and part of the reason I think that people didn't stand up, they didn't stand up for me in Canada, although some people did and some journalists, none of my professional colleagues to speak of, almost no psychologists, virtually no physicians. Agreeable, empathetic people don't believe that the parasitic, predatory, Machiavellian narcissists exist.

They don't have that space in their imagination. And for them, so their default assumption is that anyone who's misbehaving is a victim.

Now, you can even, even that's understandable because you can say, look. 80% of the people in prison were victimized. Now, not everybody who's victimized turns into a criminal. In fact, quite the reverse. So that's a rather weak demonstration. But that still also leaves the 20%, right?

And they're the 20% that include the psychopathic rapists who, when the Scottish National Parliament decides that men and women are the same, decide that it's time for them to go into the women's prisons. All the agreeable people think, Oh, those people don't exist. They're just misunderstood.

Especially now that they've aggregated online, right?

You can really attack effectively. You can't even face your accuser. There's zero consequences of accusing someone, so that also enables everybody who delights in accusation.

Well, it's also cost-free.

Like the cost to any given person for writing you off. Now, you might argue about that with regards to your very close friends. But when we met at a restaurant the other night, and I mentioned to you that I'd been following you on X for a long time, and it was probably... probably took me six months of following you before I trusted you.

Well, because even though I know that this thing happens all the time, and even though I know that I knew that in all likelihood you were one of the people that it happened to, I still wondered, well, you know, as everyone does, where there's smoke, there might be fire. And it's just, that's in addition to Andrew's point. It's like, You're asking a lot of people to defend you.

They have to admit to the existence of an evil that, first of all, they can't comprehend. And second of all, they do not want to admit to. And no bloody wonder. It's not surprising.

Well, it's also the case, too, that a lot of this is now instantiated in law. So, for example, in Canada, if you're a physician or a psychologist and you object to gender-affirming care, which is one of those phrases that's so pathological that it's truly a miracle of deception, then...

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