Andrew Gallimore

I was a scientist.

I should know what's going on here, but I had no idea what was going on, and I thought, this is it.

This is what I need to get to grips with.

Yeah, I think what DMT does is show you that everything you thought you knew about how reality is structured and what's real and what's not real, what is fantasy, what's possible and what's not possible, all of that is completely extirpated in an instant.

And you realize, actually, we don't have a fucking clue about...

the way things really are.

I think DMT just demonstrates that.

Whether you understand it, whether we can really understand what's going on in the brain and why and how this experience is even possible, it just shows you how little we really understand about the nature of reality.

Right, yeah.

I mean, I work mainly kind of, I guess you could say, theoretically, in that I do more quantitative and qualitative analyses of the DMT state and try to understand, try to use the tools of neuroscience to try to understand how DMT elicits its effects.

So we can kind of get into, if you want to go really deep...

I can give you a kind of a neuroscience lesson we can talk about.

So if you want to understand DMT, we kind of have to start with the basic observation.

Before you take DMT,

You are experiencing a world, right?

Whenever you're awake and conscious, you're experiencing a world, the normal waking world.

This is the world that's kind of familiar to us.

When you take DMT, that world is transformed.

It disappears.

It's obliterated and it's replaced with one that is altogether stranger, shall we say.