Andrew Jarecki

Or, you know, I just saw there were five stabbings this week and none have been reported.

We started to realize that it was really a huge crisis, but it was just being kept secret.

Well, another way of looking at it is that there's so little accountability that they don't actually think they're going to get in trouble for anything.

And they're kind of right.

Right.

Right.

And if you remember that that guard who kills Stephen Davis, Rod Gadsen, you know, this guy might be the most violent prison guard in America.

He's still working in the Alabama state prison system after he has a starring role.

against his will, I'm sure, but after he has a starring role in our documentary, which has been seen by millions of people, they still have him employed there.

They still have him interacting with people.

Yeah, yeah.

He's been promoted twice and now he's up for another promotion.

So I think to some extent the guards just say, well, you know, I can do whatever I want.

I can sell the cell phones.

And by the way, not all the guards are bad, right?

There are guards that we met there who

who were pretty heartbroken because they went into the system hoping to make change or trying to, maybe they wanted to work in the police department and there weren't any jobs.

But in their town, they had the ability to work in a prison.

So they kind of went in there and described to us that they wanted to help people with addiction.

They wanted to see if they could help rehabilitate people.