Andrew Jarecki

You could see that even the drug dorm where the counselor decided to leave his job, there was a professional drug counselor in one of the prisons.

And nobody replaces him.

And so Raoul Poole, one of the guys in our film...

just starts running the drug dorm.

And that's a drug dorm that's getting money from the federal government to pay for drug treatment program in prison.

And that money is just not going anywhere or money is just going into the coffers of whoever is running the prison system.

There really is not any meaningful accountability.

You know, there's like the state auditor who we actually interviewed and spent a lot of time with just sort of threw up his hands.

You know, he said, there's just no way for me to keep track of this money.

And, you know, for example, they got this incredibly horrible set of findings from the Justice Department, right?

The DOJ went into the Alabama state prison system and did an investigation because they

for reasons I can explain that are kind of incredible.

But anyway, they went in there and they investigated the whole prison system, which I think they'd never done before.

Usually they investigate an individual prison or something like that.

And they went in and issued a report that said, this is beyond the pale.

There's horrific things that are happening in your prisons, people being murdered, and there's the highest rate of drug overdose.

And

highest rate of rape.

And Alabama's response was to say, well, you know, we think that's just anecdotal and you don't know what you're talking about.

And then they decided that their solution, the Alabama solution that we sort of ironically talk about in the title of the film, the one the governor talks about, is just to build new prisons.