Andrew Jarecki

The question is whether we should be putting people into institutions that just further damage them, further retraumatize them.

It's really crazy.

Yeah.

I mean there's this kind of illusion that everybody that is in prison for something that we don't think, the average person doesn't think they should be in prison for for many, many, many years, like a drug crime or being an addict basically, that those people – that all those people have been let out already.

That somehow like prison activist people have said, well –

All the people that are in there for drug crimes should be released.

But it's not really true.

You have an enormous criminalization of drug addiction.

So you're already making people sort of feel hopeless.

Then they're turning to drugs, and then you're putting them into cages.

So like Steve Marshall, for example, the AG in Alabama...

says, well, we've already released all of the nonviolent criminals, right?

So the only people that are locked in there are the worst of the worst.

But, you know, that's clearly not true just because of sales from your documentary.

Yeah, of course.

So you have, you know, and he was put into a maximum security facility for entering an unoccupied building.

That's because there's sort of an inflation of this concept of violence.

So they will – in Alabama, I think there are 44 different crimes that are considered violent crimes.

And they include crimes that you and I would not consider violent.

So if somebody threatens somebody verbally like most people do in arguments with people that they're mad at or whatever but doesn't assault somebody verbally,