Andrew Jarecki

They can't do drugs when they're in the facility.

So there's a little bit of tough love going on there too.

But they end up bringing people back.

They end up bringing people back who were otherwise abandoned and who otherwise would have been additional homeless people lying on the street in San Francisco or additional people who are –

bothering people outside an ATM or whatever, because there's a level of desperation that you have.

We all know like if we absolutely had absolutely nothing and we thought that our kids were going to starve, we would do a bunch of things that would probably get us in trouble.

Well, there is a lot.

That can be done.

One of the places, for example, this can be done inside and outside of prison, obviously.

And I think you're pointing out a really important thing, which is the earlier the better.

So when you look at Head Start programs, which are one of the first things that people go to cut because you can't put your finger on exactly what they do.

But if you track people that got early education,

you see that it dramatically reduces the likelihood that those people are going to go to prison later in life.

And if you look at people who are even in prison, like in the main state prison system, which is a very humane prison system, I have pictures on my phone of guys who are sitting at a bench

working on models of tall ships, these beautiful, stunning pieces of art that they've been trained by other prisoners to build, and they give them a proper workbench, and they give them some time to do this work, and they give them training.

And then they sell that stuff in the prison store and they make a couple million dollars a year that goes back into rehabilitation programs.

Oh, wow.

I think Maine is the best prison system I've seen in the U.S.

And partly it's because it's run by this very brilliant guy.

Randy Liberty is his name.