Andrew Jarecki

And maybe you should read this with me.

So we end up reading the book together.

And then we both sort of just spontaneously decided to take a road trip to Montgomery because we just didn't know anything about it.

It had never been there.

She was growing up in New York and it was just not in her frame of reference.

So we went down there and we met a man who was the first black prison chaplain in the state of Alabama, Chaplain Browder.

And I said, well, I'm really curious about what's going on in the prisons.

And he said, well, you should just come in with me.

And I said, well, I'm a filmmaker.

They're not going to let me just walk into the prison in Alabama.

And he said, well, just don't come in as a filmmaker.

You just don't have to bring a camera.

Just come in and talk to some of the guys.

So I went into film.

And ultimately, we were allowed to film ultimately in one of the prisons.

And when we were in there to film this revival meeting, just because we were lucky enough to find a warden who felt like, you know, he wanted to show an example of how Christianity was active and important in the prison system, which I agreed with.

But then while we were in there filming with like five cameras, which was just unheard of, the men inside couldn't believe that there were any cameras in there.

And they started taking us aside and saying, listen, what they're showing you here is a very curated version of what's going on in this prison.

You have to get into these other buildings.

You've got to see what's going on in that dorm over there called the –