Andrew Jarecki

people to rob their store or whatever.

But this idea that, that anything goes, if somebody is a criminal, we're just going to suspend our humanity.

We're going to suspend, right.

And that's, that's the basic idea of sort of the constitution is you have this absolutely minimal level.

You're not supposed to be treated to,

cruel and unusual punishment, which is already kind of a, you know, I know it when I see it kind of situation, you know, but well, if they committed a crime,

then maybe they should just be locked up forever.

You know, does it make sense for, you know, there are plenty of countries where the maximum sentence for any crime is 10 years because you say somebody commits a crime when they're 19 years old.

It's a completely different human being 11 years, 12 years later.

You know, maybe 10 years is enough to reset that person and try to bring them back into civilization.

And yet Alabama has these three strikes laws that are locking people up for life without parole.

Robert Earl.

Robert Earl, yeah.

But Robert Earl's crime, I mean, Robert Earl's crime... Yeah, there's a guy, and it's sort of undisputed that there was a guy trying to run him over with a car.

That's right.

And he was 19, and he had a gun, which everybody in Alabama has a gun, and he shot the guy, and he prevented him from running him over.

In today's world, you know, that's like...

Yeah, right?

So there's no question that would have been a self-defense case.

But for the fact that the police...