Andrew Little

I won't spread.

I've got one.

I've got one.

Yes.

He is in front and well clear.

Daniel Loder goes in and Daniel Loder for the second time has the golden touch at the Olympic Games swimming pool.

Magnificent swim.

It's ping pong, but with the only lighting being a strobe light.

You usually felt the punch in your face, and then you saw the arm coming, and then you try and swing for the ball.

It's been through American political tumult before.

I mean, maybe we all think what is happening today is different to what happened 40, 50, 60 years ago.

I mean, what is happening now is, I think, a cause for worry just about the general sentiment and move which is undermining democracy.

But I'm equally confident that the Five Eyes relationship

will endure through that and without agencies like ours and indeed the other partners compromising their principles, their requirement to respect democracy and freedom of expression and all those sorts of things, I think the Five Eyes arrangement will survive.

I think given their obligations under the New Zealand legislation, which is they've got to act independently and they have to think carefully about their own legal and human rights obligations before sharing intelligence, I'd be surprised if they weren't actively considering how they share intelligence in the current conditions.

It started out as an intelligence-sharing relationship.

That's what it should remain.

It's very good at that.

We have good legislation, I think, that provides good constraints on it and oversight of it.

They're allowed to.