Andrew Marantz

So it's a bit of a caricature, but it's definitely one that's stuck. And I think we can now see in the data it's definitely one that hurt Kamala Harris in the last election.

So it's a bit of a caricature, but it's definitely one that's stuck. And I think we can now see in the data it's definitely one that hurt Kamala Harris in the last election.

Absolutely. And Joe Rogan has been around since he was telling people to eat worms on Fear Factor. And I think you nailed it with the word trust and authenticity. I mean, a lot of times, and I think this is true for everyone, but I think it's especially true of listeners who don't think of themselves as political people.

Absolutely. And Joe Rogan has been around since he was telling people to eat worms on Fear Factor. And I think you nailed it with the word trust and authenticity. I mean, a lot of times, and I think this is true for everyone, but I think it's especially true of listeners who don't think of themselves as political people.

Absolutely. And Joe Rogan has been around since he was telling people to eat worms on Fear Factor. And I think you nailed it with the word trust and authenticity. I mean, a lot of times, and I think this is true for everyone, but I think it's especially true of listeners who don't think of themselves as political people.

People who I think are sometimes pejoratively called low information voters, but people who just don't think it's their job to study up on the ins and outs of politics. Often what it comes down to is who do you trust? And so you hear a lot of conflicting, competing information. You know, you hear one source telling you.

People who I think are sometimes pejoratively called low information voters, but people who just don't think it's their job to study up on the ins and outs of politics. Often what it comes down to is who do you trust? And so you hear a lot of conflicting, competing information. You know, you hear one source telling you.

People who I think are sometimes pejoratively called low information voters, but people who just don't think it's their job to study up on the ins and outs of politics. Often what it comes down to is who do you trust? And so you hear a lot of conflicting, competing information. You know, you hear one source telling you.

Doge is just a scam and it's just, you know, a way for Elon Musk to enrich himself. And then you hear Joe Rogan or Elon Musk or Theo Vaughn saying, I don't know, it seems cool to me. You know, we're cutting waste from the government. And if you don't want to embark on the really difficult project of sifting through the conflicting evidence, you can just trust one source and not the other.

Doge is just a scam and it's just, you know, a way for Elon Musk to enrich himself. And then you hear Joe Rogan or Elon Musk or Theo Vaughn saying, I don't know, it seems cool to me. You know, we're cutting waste from the government. And if you don't want to embark on the really difficult project of sifting through the conflicting evidence, you can just trust one source and not the other.

Doge is just a scam and it's just, you know, a way for Elon Musk to enrich himself. And then you hear Joe Rogan or Elon Musk or Theo Vaughn saying, I don't know, it seems cool to me. You know, we're cutting waste from the government. And if you don't want to embark on the really difficult project of sifting through the conflicting evidence, you can just trust one source and not the other.

So, you know, you mentioned Theo Vaughn. To my mind, he is a funny, really affable, kind of goofy guy. He presents himself as basically so curious that he almost seems to see it as his job to go in with no prior information into any conversation. And You can hear him from one week to the next. I mean, he, within the span of a week last summer, interviewed Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.

So, you know, you mentioned Theo Vaughn. To my mind, he is a funny, really affable, kind of goofy guy. He presents himself as basically so curious that he almost seems to see it as his job to go in with no prior information into any conversation. And You can hear him from one week to the next. I mean, he, within the span of a week last summer, interviewed Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.

So, you know, you mentioned Theo Vaughn. To my mind, he is a funny, really affable, kind of goofy guy. He presents himself as basically so curious that he almost seems to see it as his job to go in with no prior information into any conversation. And You can hear him from one week to the next. I mean, he, within the span of a week last summer, interviewed Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.

And with each of these interviews. his stance is to kind of just sit back and go, oh, well, that's interesting. I never heard of that before. He kind of copied this format from Rogan where when something new comes up that they don't know about, they have a production assistant or an intern or someone kind of sitting in the studio and they'll go, oh, could you pull that up? Could you Google that?

And with each of these interviews. his stance is to kind of just sit back and go, oh, well, that's interesting. I never heard of that before. He kind of copied this format from Rogan where when something new comes up that they don't know about, they have a production assistant or an intern or someone kind of sitting in the studio and they'll go, oh, could you pull that up? Could you Google that?

And with each of these interviews. his stance is to kind of just sit back and go, oh, well, that's interesting. I never heard of that before. He kind of copied this format from Rogan where when something new comes up that they don't know about, they have a production assistant or an intern or someone kind of sitting in the studio and they'll go, oh, could you pull that up? Could you Google that?

I mean, I was listening when someone in a Theo Vaughn interview mentioned FDR and the New Deal and Theo Vaughn went, What is that again? Can we pull that up? And they Googled New Deal and started reading the Wikipedia article. So... The vibe is very much not, you know, we've done our research, we've studied up, we've pre-fact checked everything. It's really the opposite.

I mean, I was listening when someone in a Theo Vaughn interview mentioned FDR and the New Deal and Theo Vaughn went, What is that again? Can we pull that up? And they Googled New Deal and started reading the Wikipedia article. So... The vibe is very much not, you know, we've done our research, we've studied up, we've pre-fact checked everything. It's really the opposite.

I mean, I was listening when someone in a Theo Vaughn interview mentioned FDR and the New Deal and Theo Vaughn went, What is that again? Can we pull that up? And they Googled New Deal and started reading the Wikipedia article. So... The vibe is very much not, you know, we've done our research, we've studied up, we've pre-fact checked everything. It's really the opposite.