Andrew Marantz

So when he's objecting to someone like Gavin Newsom, it sounds like what he's objecting to is – Gavin Newsom apparently saying, well, instead of rethinking what about our policies is driving people away, let me just start a podcast and that'll fix it. Right. So it's sort of a question of is this a Band-Aid solution?

But Piker is like a really committed leftist and he really thinks that the Democrats do not have adequate solutions. So I think. What he would probably say is, OK, great. Someone like Kamala Harris should go on Joe Rogan. But when Rogan asks her, how are you going to fix the health care system? Instead of having a really simple answer like Bernie, like we'll just give everyone health care.

But Piker is like a really committed leftist and he really thinks that the Democrats do not have adequate solutions. So I think. What he would probably say is, OK, great. Someone like Kamala Harris should go on Joe Rogan. But when Rogan asks her, how are you going to fix the health care system? Instead of having a really simple answer like Bernie, like we'll just give everyone health care.

But Piker is like a really committed leftist and he really thinks that the Democrats do not have adequate solutions. So I think. What he would probably say is, OK, great. Someone like Kamala Harris should go on Joe Rogan. But when Rogan asks her, how are you going to fix the health care system? Instead of having a really simple answer like Bernie, like we'll just give everyone health care.

She has this sort of ticky tack, you know, technocratic answer. Like if you make under $60,000, we'll do this. Right. So I think he would sort of say that the policy doesn't make for good messaging because it's not universalist policy. It's not clear, simple policy. Now, you can agree or disagree with the sort of Bernie bro democratic socialist policy platform, but it is empirically the case that.

She has this sort of ticky tack, you know, technocratic answer. Like if you make under $60,000, we'll do this. Right. So I think he would sort of say that the policy doesn't make for good messaging because it's not universalist policy. It's not clear, simple policy. Now, you can agree or disagree with the sort of Bernie bro democratic socialist policy platform, but it is empirically the case that.

She has this sort of ticky tack, you know, technocratic answer. Like if you make under $60,000, we'll do this. Right. So I think he would sort of say that the policy doesn't make for good messaging because it's not universalist policy. It's not clear, simple policy. Now, you can agree or disagree with the sort of Bernie bro democratic socialist policy platform, but it is empirically the case that.

When someone like Bernie Sanders goes on these shows, he doesn't have to struggle with how calculated to be. He says what he says, which is what he says when he's talking to NPR or The New York Times or Fox News because he just says the same thing every time. So I think the Democrats can't podcast their way out of this means if your policies are unpopular, the messaging can only get you so far.

When someone like Bernie Sanders goes on these shows, he doesn't have to struggle with how calculated to be. He says what he says, which is what he says when he's talking to NPR or The New York Times or Fox News because he just says the same thing every time. So I think the Democrats can't podcast their way out of this means if your policies are unpopular, the messaging can only get you so far.

When someone like Bernie Sanders goes on these shows, he doesn't have to struggle with how calculated to be. He says what he says, which is what he says when he's talking to NPR or The New York Times or Fox News because he just says the same thing every time. So I think the Democrats can't podcast their way out of this means if your policies are unpopular, the messaging can only get you so far.

Yeah, there's definitely money going into the right wing podcast sphere, some of it from political donors and some of it just, you know, Joe Rogan got a massive deal from Spotify just because he was very popular. And part of what, you know, when Hassan Piker says, you know, the Democrats can't podcast their way out of this.

Yeah, there's definitely money going into the right wing podcast sphere, some of it from political donors and some of it just, you know, Joe Rogan got a massive deal from Spotify just because he was very popular. And part of what, you know, when Hassan Piker says, you know, the Democrats can't podcast their way out of this.

Yeah, there's definitely money going into the right wing podcast sphere, some of it from political donors and some of it just, you know, Joe Rogan got a massive deal from Spotify just because he was very popular. And part of what, you know, when Hassan Piker says, you know, the Democrats can't podcast their way out of this.

I think part of what he means is you can't just have a kind of astroturf industry. solution where you throw a bunch of money at sort of randomly selected people whose views you like and that'll do it. Right.

I think part of what he means is you can't just have a kind of astroturf industry. solution where you throw a bunch of money at sort of randomly selected people whose views you like and that'll do it. Right.

I think part of what he means is you can't just have a kind of astroturf industry. solution where you throw a bunch of money at sort of randomly selected people whose views you like and that'll do it. Right.

So to kind of play out that argument, the way that argument would go is, OK, let's say some left of center donor decided to give hundreds of millions of dollars to whichever, you know, TikTok star was kind of supporting the Democrats and Would that boost awareness of the Democrats? Probably.

So to kind of play out that argument, the way that argument would go is, OK, let's say some left of center donor decided to give hundreds of millions of dollars to whichever, you know, TikTok star was kind of supporting the Democrats and Would that boost awareness of the Democrats? Probably.

So to kind of play out that argument, the way that argument would go is, OK, let's say some left of center donor decided to give hundreds of millions of dollars to whichever, you know, TikTok star was kind of supporting the Democrats and Would that boost awareness of the Democrats? Probably.

But what it wouldn't do is have the authentic feeling of an organic, trusted, authentic, weird voice, right? So you were saying before people who've known parasocially someone like Theo Vaughn or Joe Rogan for years, they have a kind of trust in them. And a lot of what that trust comes from is not just –