Andrew Prokop

So is Doge, which is this new effort, the Department of Government Efficiency, just like a USDS 2.0? Is it literally going to be some of the same people? Or is this an entirely new outfit trying to reach the same end, more or less?

So is Doge, which is this new effort, the Department of Government Efficiency, just like a USDS 2.0? Is it literally going to be some of the same people? Or is this an entirely new outfit trying to reach the same end, more or less?

The other thing we know, which we've covered on this show, is that Elon Musk, at least, and formerly Vivek Ramaswamy, said that they aimed to cut $2 trillion worth of federal agencies, federal workers. When you heard that number, as someone who's been in this work before, what did you make of it?

The other thing we know, which we've covered on this show, is that Elon Musk, at least, and formerly Vivek Ramaswamy, said that they aimed to cut $2 trillion worth of federal agencies, federal workers. When you heard that number, as someone who's been in this work before, what did you make of it?

The other thing we know, which we've covered on this show, is that Elon Musk, at least, and formerly Vivek Ramaswamy, said that they aimed to cut $2 trillion worth of federal agencies, federal workers. When you heard that number, as someone who's been in this work before, what did you make of it?

Because our colleague Dylan Matthews, who helped us cover that news, said the betting money is they don't get anywhere close.

Because our colleague Dylan Matthews, who helped us cover that news, said the betting money is they don't get anywhere close.

Because our colleague Dylan Matthews, who helped us cover that news, said the betting money is they don't get anywhere close.

Let's expedite the process for them. I don't know if Uncle Elon listens, but, I mean, if you could offer him any advice, maybe you already have. What would you tell him as he's embarking on this, his first major government venture?

Let's expedite the process for them. I don't know if Uncle Elon listens, but, I mean, if you could offer him any advice, maybe you already have. What would you tell him as he's embarking on this, his first major government venture?

Let's expedite the process for them. I don't know if Uncle Elon listens, but, I mean, if you could offer him any advice, maybe you already have. What would you tell him as he's embarking on this, his first major government venture?

Jennifer Palka, she helped found the United States Digital Service, which is somehow now called the United States Doge Service. What a time to be alive. Avishai Artsy and Travis Larchuk made our show today. They were edited by Miranda Kennedy. Fact-checked by Laura Bullard and Amanda Llewellyn. My voice is going. It was mixed by Andrea Christen's daughter and Rob Byers.

Jennifer Palka, she helped found the United States Digital Service, which is somehow now called the United States Doge Service. What a time to be alive. Avishai Artsy and Travis Larchuk made our show today. They were edited by Miranda Kennedy. Fact-checked by Laura Bullard and Amanda Llewellyn. My voice is going. It was mixed by Andrea Christen's daughter and Rob Byers.

Jennifer Palka, she helped found the United States Digital Service, which is somehow now called the United States Doge Service. What a time to be alive. Avishai Artsy and Travis Larchuk made our show today. They were edited by Miranda Kennedy. Fact-checked by Laura Bullard and Amanda Llewellyn. My voice is going. It was mixed by Andrea Christen's daughter and Rob Byers.

I'm Sean Ramos for him, and this has been Today Explained. I'll stop talking now.

I'm Sean Ramos for him, and this has been Today Explained. I'll stop talking now.

I'm Sean Ramos for him, and this has been Today Explained. I'll stop talking now.

We learned that Trump is really going for it. He's coming out of the gate with an extremely aggressive, dubiously legal agenda on many fronts, most notably immigration, but other issues as well. And then I think we also learned some other things, which is that on certain issues, he may not be exactly sure himself what he's going to do.

We learned that Trump is really going for it. He's coming out of the gate with an extremely aggressive, dubiously legal agenda on many fronts, most notably immigration, but other issues as well. And then I think we also learned some other things, which is that on certain issues, he may not be exactly sure himself what he's going to do.

We learned that Trump is really going for it. He's coming out of the gate with an extremely aggressive, dubiously legal agenda on many fronts, most notably immigration, but other issues as well. And then I think we also learned some other things, which is that on certain issues, he may not be exactly sure himself what he's going to do.