Andrew Revkin

Oh, boy.

Okay.

Well, in a way, on this issue, I think there is no center, except in this, if you're looking on social media or if you're looking on TV, there are people who are trying to fabricate the idea that there's a single question.

And that's the first mistake.

We are developing a new relationship with the climate system, and we're rethinking our energy systems.

And those are very disconnected in so many ways that connect around climate change.

But the first way to me to overcome this idea of there is this polarized universe around this issue is to

step back and say, well, what is this actually?

And when you do, you realize it's kind of an uncomfortable collision between old energy norms and a growing awareness of how the planet works, that if you keep adding gases that are invisible, it's the bubbles in beer,

If you keep adding that to the atmosphere because it accumulates, that will change everything.

It is changing everything for thousands of years.

It's already happening.

CO2, carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas.

Because I like beer.

It's also in Coca-Cola.

We were talking about cola before.

It's innocuous.

We grew up with this idea.

CO2, unless you're trapped in a room suffocating,

It's an innocuous gas.