Andrew Revkin

And they were the antithesis of the climate problem.

She used the words, she said, people go into the voting booth thinking about things that are soon, salient, and certain.

And climate change is complex, you know, has long time scales.

And that really jogged me.

And then I, between 2006, 2010,

I started interviewing other social scientists, and this was by far the scariest science of all.

It's the climate in our heads, our inconvenient minds, and in how that translates into political norms and stuff, really became the monster, not the climate system.

And there's so many factors that line up to perpetuate that flocking behavior.

One is media attention comes in.

The other is funding comes in, National Science Foundation or whatever, European foundations pour a huge amount of money into things related to climate.

And then your narrative in your head is,

shaped by that aspect of the climate problem that's in the spotlight.

I started using this hashtag a few years back, narrative capture, like be wary of narrative capture, where you're on a train and everyone's getting on the train, and this is in the media too, not just science, and it becomes self-sustaining, and

And contrary indications are ignored or downplayed.

No one does replication science because your career doesn't advance through replicating someone else's work.

So those contrary indications are not necessarily really dug in on.

And this is way beyond climate.

This is many fields.

As you said, you might have seen this in AI.

And it's really hard to find.