Andrew Revkin

It's built on sediment.

I wrote a piece ages ago at the New York Times calling it Delta Blues, you know, I'm a musician.

And in Jakarta, so what are they doing?

They're moving.

They're moving the capital to another area.

And so that says to me, there's a lot of plasticity too.

It's a city that's going through this, that rate of sea level, of their relationship with the sea level through sinking is way faster than what's happening with global warming.

So look there, look to those kinds of places and you can start to build...

I've dug in on both a lot.

The earthquake connection to climate change I'm not worried about compared to just the earthquake risk that we live with in many parts of the world already.

The Himalayas, even with that earthquake in 2015 in Kathmandu,

That whole range is overdue for major earthquakes.

And what has happened in the last 50 years since they last had big earthquakes, huge development, big cities, a lot of informal construction, like the stuff I wrote about in Istanbul, where the family builds another layer and another, they put a floor on, every time someone gets married and has kids, they put another floor in the house.

And unfortunately, that's, you know,

What was the term this Turkish engineer... Rubble in waiting.

Rubble in waiting.

It's rubble in waiting.

And we're looking at it, videotaping it, and there are people playing there.

So I don't worry about the earthquake connection to climate change.

The hurricanes I've written about for decades...