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Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

You know, if there's a marginal change in a storm,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

and you've quadrupled or sextupled how much stuff and how many people are in the way, and if some of those people are poor and vulnerable or elderly and can't swim, you're creating a landscape of destruction.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

You added intensity.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

Let me just get into this a tiny bit more.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

I mean, hurricanes...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

I grew up with them in Rhode Island in my youth, and there was a very active period of hurricanes in New England in the 50s and 60s, 70s.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

And then in the North Atlantic, generally, it was very, very active in the 50s when I was a kid.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

And the dynamics of them forming off of Africa and coming here, circling up the coast, was just prime time.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

Then there was like what Kerry Emanuel, who's the most experienced hurricane climate scientist around at MIT, he's in this story, he's in my 1988 article.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

He and colleagues have found and others that,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

There's what they call a hurricane drought from like the 70s through about 1994 in the Atlantic, specifically the Atlantic Basin.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

And there's been a lot of questions about that.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

People thought it was ocean circulation, something about the currents.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

There are these multi-decadal variabilities in the oceans, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

And then now it looks robustly, I can't find a climate scientist who disagrees that the thing that caused the drought was pollution, smog.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

And significantly in Europe.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

And you say, well, how did smog in Europe relate to hurricanes crossing the Atlantic and getting to the United States?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

It's because of the smog was changing the behavior of the Sahara Desert, which is just south of Europe.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

And the Sahara Desert kills hurricanes.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin

Sand and dust coming off the Sahara.