Andrew Ross Sorkin

And I think that's that is the ultimate question.

And I do not think we know.

And I will say when it comes to China, I think ultimately it's going to be very hard for us to have demonstrable leverage with them, given their size and their scale.

And the fact that I think President Xi is just watching this whole thing.

And I imagine laughing to some degree because he sees the president come out and decides announced some crazy thing.

tariff number.

And then the market goes crazy.

And what happens?

He steps down, steps away from it.

Because leverage towards control, leverage.

And look, look at what's going on with the universities in America.

Look what's going on with the law firms going on in America.

Look what's happening with the companies in

It's all – there's leverage, leverage over somebody else, power over them so that when you need to ask for something, the answer is yes.

That is basically what I think is going on here.

Well, that's – yes.

I would also say they can become –

And I'm not arguing that this is a good strategy.

And I don't think anyone thinks you are.

Just to be clear.