Andrew Ross Sorkin

I don't know.

Is it for entertainment?

Is it actually, you know, some people go to Vegas and they say, you know what, I'm going to spend a couple hundred bucks over there because it's going to, you know, I'm going to,

play blackjack for the next three hours.

I get that.

You could do that or you could go to a show.

Some people say they're going to spend money watching a sports game.

Some people do this, as I said, as a form of entertainment.

I think when it gets into a form of investment, it's more complicated because, I don't know, is it an investment or is it a speculation?

Right.

I had always been nervous about sports betting in America for a long, long time.

And clearly things have moved away from me on that.

So I feel like I've been on the...

The wrong end, maybe on the right end, ultimately, we'll see.

But in terms of just the way society has moved.

All right.

I'm going to disagree with you on so many fronts.

First of all, I should get you the numbers, and I wish I had them.

The ownership of the Dow, meaning the audience and the investment community that people who buy the Dow is real.

It is a substantial index.