Andrew Ross Sorkin

And now Charlie Mitchell is on the cover of these magazines.

And so I think that we –

as a culture, almost turn these people into heroes.

And here we are close to 100 years later, and you're seeing it almost in the exact same way.

Well, it's interesting because I think the modern conversation about the American dream today

often is actually not probably look back 100 years.

It's probably look back to the 50s.

People would call it what I describe as the leave it to beaver American dream.

That was a very white dream, but it meant that you could buy a house, you'd have two kids, a dog, and everything would kind of just work out.

And by the way, this was a period where unionization was a huge part of the economy.

We were protecting labor in a remarkable way.

And I think people look back now at that period fondly.

But I also think today, again, in this sort of social media driven universe, you know, everybody wants to be Mr. Beast.

They all want to be you, John.

I mean, they all want to- I don't think so.

I don't think that can be right.

But I have a very unpopular explanation for why that was the case.

All right, let's hear it.

And Paul Krugman disagrees with me vehemently about this.

So just I want to want to posit that so you can throw your tomatoes if you like.