Andrew Ross Sorkin

They don't have to do it.

You need their account of how they were managing that whole scenario, I'd imagine.

Yeah, they're bigger than life and brand new on the scene phenomena in America, which is like the wealthy celebrity.

This is the period of time where we get, for the first time ever, celebrities that are

So I think maybe this whole story starts, at least from what I gathered, maybe kind of 1990 with General Motors, oddly enough.

This whole story starts at least structurally with that.

It does.

Or do you want to go further back?

I think this would shock people.

We've all grown up in a world where debt, that's how the whole thing works, is on debt.

And people didn't have loans, which is crazy.

Yeah.

You said that these brokerage houses just pop up like Starbucks all around the city and someone can walk in with a dollar and put a dollar down and they get $10 in stock.

is the coins.

Is just the coins.

Is just the coins.

That's all self-generating.

It's all quite circular.

So you're weirdly like third generation.

This whole thing with you not being able to buy is almost like a family tradition, really.