Andrew Sage

We don't have to make compelling arguments.

We just have to, like, have power.

Yeah, I mean, pretty much.

Personally, it reads to me as like a way to delay actually talking about any of our demands at the table, because if you just eat up all the time, then there's no time to talk.

Yeah, yeah.

But that's also really beautiful to think about from a more abstract sense.

yeah well also just companies love fucking with negotiations it's awful i how okay i i should just start asking everyone who does negotiations about this but on average how late are the managers to show up to meetings uh i would say that actually both sides are equally late um well to the negotiations at least uh uh

Just because getting around the city is so difficult.

Oh, so that's like a transit thing, not like a... No, no, we're not deliberately showing up late, as far as I know.

Yeah, you're just in traffic.

But shouldn't they already just be there?

Oh, yeah, well, because this is something that's actually been a delay tactic for them, is...

They insist that we need to split the cost equally of a bargaining space.

What?

What?

And again, we're independent, so they know that we can't on a regular basis commit to that.

So if you want to donate to our unions, that way we can pay to sit down in front of these people.

That's completely... Yeah.

Having to have the union pay... I've never heard of that before.

That's completely deranged.