Andrew Sage

that you consider moving like my courser, that you take on networks and free associations rather than the sort of X marks the spot, bullseye centralized parties and the power struggles that ensue from them, from that thirst for power that led to so many downfalls for the revolutionary imagination.

Before we wrap up, I just want to ask James, do you have any thoughts?

No, I think that was very eloquent, the way you said it.

We have to build systems and ways of organizing or relating to one another that don't allow this to happen, right?

We have to be very conscious, like you say, of where it has happened.

And I think the only way that we understand the value of that is through studying history.

But studying it from a place...

Like you were saying, right, like a death is a statistic or a number until it's a person.

And I think if we can study history from a place of like empathy, I guess, and solidarity rather than this would never happen to me or like you said, like oversimplifying in a way that I think doesn't

help.

And sometimes I think we do it to kind of absolve ourselves from similarity to think like, oh, how, how close could I be to this?

Yeah.

Exactly.

And the times, they are changing.

Yes, indeed.

We have to approach that with our due diligence.

You know, the strategies that were more relevant or more practical in particular contexts may not be relevant or practical in your context.

Yeah, very much so.

All right.

Yeah, that was great.