Andrew Voss

Did it look like trying to create and form a new identity of Essendon?

And that was, we're no longer going to get pushed around.

And I think that's what Andrew said in his own words, was we're not going to get pushed around anymore.

So I don't know whether that's a, if that's just starting, I'm not sure that's the right outcome you want to get though.

I mean, you're going to get pushed around.

Well,

The reality is you drive as hard a bargain as you can to get the draft picks that you need to get.

And then, you know, that's your strength.

That's your only way of strength.

And they were going to get, by the sounds of it, they were going to get three first-round draft picks or some there close.

I get it.

They were going to be back end of the draft.

But they were still going to add to a collective plan to rebuild.

That's the overriding point for me.

The collective plan, and that was from the board to the coach to the CEO to the football manager, the collective plan is we needed to go back to the draft and rebuild.

We had an opportunity to get three more first-round picks in our door, and we chose not to.

Yeah, I would have thought.

I mean, again, we're both not sitting in the discussions and the meetings, but we both heard what Brad said last night, and that was he was against keeping Zach, and he thought it was the right thing to do to move him on, which I think that would be a red flag for Brad.

Yeah, well, they've got good people involved.

And as I said, I'm lucky enough to know Andrew and I know Dean.