Andrew Weissman

We have seen in the Department of Justice under the second Trump administration and given your history as a state prosecutor, federal prosecutor, working under Republican and Democratic administrations and your work at the ICC,

What's your diagnosis of what is happening to the department?

Similar to the question I had about what happens when the next president comes in and this sort of tit-for-tat concern, are we also at the Department of Justice leading to a spiral where let's assume we have a democratic administration at some point and what do they do then? Do they try and clean house and does it become a tit-for-tat where we essentially no longer have a civil service

yhdysvallan hallituksella, joka pitäisi järjestää asiaa, että me vain hyödymme demokraattisia, me vain hyödymme republikaaneja. Miten näet, missä olemme ja mitä tapahtuu?

So they brought somebody in who had never been a criminal prosecutor on day's notice to secure an indictment a day before the statute of limitations ended. That just reeks of lack of process. I'll add to that that Trump's elected US attorney resigned over this. So not just the career people, but also

kun todellinen presidentiaalinen valmistelu pysähtyi. Jos kuuntelit presidenttiä, hän oli pysähtynyt, mutta toisella tavalla hän oli vahvistettu, ettei saa tilaa. Haluan myös olla selkeä. En näe, ja mielestäni monet amerikkalaiset eivät näe tätä poliittisena asiana.

I'm going to end with a couple of questions about more personal ones. Obviously in the United States there's been a lot of vilification, but particularly of you and your team. If you don't want to talk about yourself, what have the consequences been?

henkilökohtaisesti itseäsi tai ryhmästä, miten heidän täytyy elää, miten he voivat löytää työtä, mitä se on kuitenkin niin, että heidän täytyy elää sellaista harrastusta siitä, että he tekevät vain työtä.

päivittäin, kun hänen kaverinsa on syntynyt. Ihmiset kuulevat näitä kertoja, eikä kukaan ajattele, että se on oikeastaan ok. Joten kyllä, luulen, että se on todella tärkeää. Niiden raportointi on se, että vanhemmat FBI-yhteykset yrittävät saada Kash Patel, FBI-johtajan,

to put off the decision given his personal circumstances and failed. And this most senior person at the FBI making that plea was then fired. Yeah, I mean, these are people, lawyers aside, these are people who put their lives on the line. And for them to be fired for stuff like this, I just don't see how anyone can hear those stories and not be moved by it.

And then have people sort of landed on their feet or has it been a struggle? Obviously, I think people know there's been all sorts of executive orders targeting law firms. There's been actions targeting people, targeting companies and a chilling effect as a result of that. And to what extent has that sort of affected people on your team in terms of their lives going forward?

Any final thoughts that you have for our audience about the rule of law, thinking about what we're experiencing in the United States, and how you think about it, having seen the rule of law globally?

You know, many procedural irregularities. You also mentioned that in addition to process, you mentioned transparency as something else that you think about in differentiating sort of a righteous prosecution and transparency. Could you talk about sort of what you mean by that? Sure. And again, like take the Navalny trial. We know, or trials, we know that whenever he was going to offer a defense, they decided to not have those in public.

Jack oli Harvard Law Schoolin opiskelijana. Hän oli koulutusprosekuuttori. Minusta vaikea osa sinun taustasi on se, että Jack oli prosekuuttori USA-alueella, USA-alueella ja myös maailmalla.

I really can't think of anyone who has that confluence of experience. In addition, something that's sort of dear to my heart is you were also a prosecutor at main justice, which is in Washington, so that's centrally, but also in the field in various parts of the United States, not just in New York, but also in Tennessee, as we'll talk about.

Kuten mainitsin, Jack aloitti työtä yliopistosta, joka on valtion tasa-alueella, New Yorkissa arvokasta ja legeeriväistä Roberta Morgenthausta. Hän jäi sitten yhdistämään Yhdysvaltojen puolustuksessa Yhdysvaltojen pohjalta New Yorkista.

That is where I also started my prosecutorial career, and as both of us know, it's all downhill after that. In the Eastern District of New York, I think everybody who was a federal prosecutor will say the best job you've ever had. But you went on to many great things after that. You went to main justice, as I mentioned, where you were the head of the public integrity section

that either handles or oversees all of the public corruption cases in the United States. You leaded that, and it should go without saying, but unfortunately I need to say it, and it was the people who were prosecuted were based on the facts and the law, and it didn't matter if they were Republicans, Democrats, Independents or no party at all, if they had committed a crime worthy of prosecution.

As I mentioned, Jack did not only work in the United States. You then had two separate stints at the ICC, which we're going to talk about, at the Office of the Prosecutor for the International Criminal Court in The Hague. You were the Chief of Coordinations for the Investigations Division. We'll talk more about what you did there.

And between those two stints, you went back to the United States, where you were the first assistant, that's the number two, and then the number one in the US Attorney's Office, that's a federal office in Tennessee. You went back to the ICC and stayed there for about four years, and then you got a phone call, which is sort of basically why we are here today. And that is on November 18th, 2022,