Andrew Weissmann

I tell the story of the wonderful federal district judge, Amy Berman Jackson, who said when she was overseeing

many of the prosecutions in the Mueller investigation, she mentioned, she said, courts are a place that facts and law still matters.

And so one of the things that I am putting my faith in, and maybe it comes from years of having been in the court system, is the ability of courts to hold people to account after affording them due process in a way that we are not seeing it happen

in the marketplace, in the so-called marketplace of ideas, that there is a way to try and harness the truth-telling and the factual nature of what goes on in court, including with jurors, everyday United States citizens rising to the occasion in that setting to try and get out of the huge problem that we're facing right now.

Thank you so much for having me.

I was going to make some French joke, but I'm not going to.

No, I'm not.

But I was very interested that you said that the fraud section doesn't exist anymore.

But you didn't say that about the FBI.

But I would say, having been the general counsel of the FBI, the FBI that I knew doesn't exist anymore either.

Yeah.

But yes, all that stuff has gotten dismantled.

See, I just jumped right into substance.

MS now.

MS now.

Although, you know, did I tell you I came up with my own sort of way to try and deal with this, which is MS now more than ever.

No, more than ever.

What do you think?

Okay.

I'm still working on it.