Andrew Weissmann

And by the way, the Supreme Court has said that due process was violated here.

And they said that nine to zero.

Yeah, we were joking about MSNBC and its new name, MSNOW.

But I am...

This is going to sound really sappy, but I am really, really thankful for the people on podcasts like this, on MS Now, and many other places, CNN, there are lots of other places.

journalists, ABC journalists who are doing their job and speaking up and not being cowed and intimidated and for the public who listens to them and supports them.

And to me, that's, that is, I think it's being thankful for people who are living up to the best of America.

There's so much here, but let's start with we do not know, and the indictment doesn't tell us exactly what the specifics are as to why the government and now the grand jury believes that there's probable cause for these two charges.

And so...

We really have to await that.

In other words, let's see whether there are any facts to support what has happened here.

And by the way, if there were, the crime of making false statements to Congress or obstructing Congress, those are serious.

And it doesn't matter that it's the former head of the FBI any more than it mattered

when it was Donald Trump as the former president who was indicted himself for obstructing justice not once but twice in the Florida case.

So that's sort of to one side.

But the real story, I agree with you, Jen, is about the process here.

Let me just take you inside what would normally happen.

Leave aside the whole part about that you now have a new U.S.

attorney.

You've covered that.