Andrew Weissmann

One of the people he wants to hear from is Mr. Rouveni, who is now a whistleblower, but who was a government lawyer who defended all sorts of Trump policies and has now said, who I think clearly at the time understood exactly what James Babersberg ordered.

So he'll be a very good witness for sort of how clear the order was.

But he wants to know, the judge does,

who made the decision.

And so that could be very uncomfortable for people at the Department of Justice and people in the White House as to who did that.

Remember that Mr. Raveni has said that he was at a meeting where Mr. Bove said that we may have to tell the judges to, and he used an expletive that I, you know, I've done so many expletives, like I'm going to now stop.

Yeah.

he said that we may have to just use that expletive to the judges.

And Mr. Bove, in his confirmation hearing, he is now a Third Circuit judge, when he was asked about that specifically said, I don't recall.

He didn't say he didn't say it.

So now you have one person who said he did, and one person who's alleged to have done it, not saying, no, that's not true, just saying, I don't recall.

So if you have to weigh those two...

You kind of know what happened.

And so Judge Bosberg is going to have the hearing that I think is really, like you, I think is really important, which is there was an order.

They were supposed to do it.

It really had enormous effects on the due process and the treatment of human beings who are being treated like animals, in my view, and being extracted biologically.

from this country without due process.

And then at insult to injury, it's not like they were just extracted without due process.

They were then sent to a country where they were put in a prison with no prospect of being released.

So, I mean, it is horrendous treatment of human beings without any sort of due process of law.