Andrew

Right, right, right.

Maybe you don't want to tell me, a reporter, what's going on, but you should tell the other people within your union what's going on.

So when you see a lack of information about, or any information about what's going on with these elections, it's because no one's being told what's going on with these elections.

And that's how you end up with Lloyd Howell, which is just... Oh, God.

Okay, okay.

Let's talk about Lloyd Howell, who is...

oh my god yeah one of the worst people to run a union i have ever seen yes but it's purposefully bad you know like yeah the lloyd howell like secret election like it's not i'm not even about to say like i was you know somewhat somewhat of a secret no a secretive election basically to get yeah lloyd howell hired what what are you somewhere for booze allen man

Right.

But, like, his background was in busting unions.

Uh-huh.

Right, that's his background.

Yeah.

But this is where you get, like, a look at the ideology of someone like J.C.

Treader, who also studied labor unions in college.

That's where he got his degree in labor relations and labor arrangement from Harvard.

Yep.

Yeah.

You're not doing the labor relations degree to like be in a union.

Like the people who like organize for unions are like fucking grad students who, you know, have like a, I don't know, like they have some random degree and then they were like, fuck it, I organized my grad student union.

I'm going to go organize my field.