Andrew

And, and as it like information circle gets tighter and tighter, you know, that makes it way easier for things to just get completely fucked.

And then, then, you know, and this is one of the things that you see in the nineties is the, is the complete dominance of business unionism.

We're just like, nah, fuck it.

We're a union.

Yeah.

Right.

The us and the employers actually have the same interest and we're going to work with them to make money.

And it's like, how's that going for you guys?

Like I, I,

And that's what this sort of turns into.

And one of the issues here, and you're talking about this with the information control, is once you get into this situation where a really, really small number of people, like we're talking maybe 30 people, and then the executive committee is even smaller than that, are the ones who are... One of the things that happens in the later part of this is...

So J.C.

Tretter, who's like the guy behind the scenes for like the executive, the search for like the executive director, the guy who like completely, truly was like the most hideous guy I've ever had running this union.

He changed the process so that it was completely confidential to the point where the 32 guys on the board who were supposed to be voting for the executive director didn't know the names of the candidates until they walked into the meeting.

Right.

What the fuck?

And to me, like that point is like so crucial because that's where I shift from.

Oh, it's not that you guys don't care about this.

Like,

they don't know what's going on.