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That's great.

I'm curious how you think of...

I love the articulation of waking up versus growing up.

So waking up a bit more spiritual, the contemplative meditative practices that sort of see through thought as a permanent structure entirely.

And then the growing up is like we have a self, there is a personality that needs an individuation process and one without the other is incomplete.

I'm just curious how you personally think about, because you really support people in

improving the story of self, how much do you also examine seeing through the story of self entirely?

Meaning, we can see this body, it's physical in nature, of course the mind is much more subtle.

bit more ethereal.

And any thought we have, idea, story of ourself, it exists in a certain sense, but in a fundamental sense, we can't say that it's permanent and exists because it's always susceptible to change.

And I think that's what Buddhism and a lot of these contemplative traditions help us see is the impermanent nature of all of these stories and fundamental identities that we think are real, but in essence are sort of empty.

Right.

So how do you think about improving the story of our life versus seeing through the story as a permanent structure entirely?