Andy Halliday

Let me just also reflect back to a couple of years ago when some small startup, or I think it was maybe a university, Utah, if I'm recalling correctly, set up a company of multiple models where one was the CEO, one was the CMO, one was the CTO, and they all were arranged in such a way that they could speak to each other, but they had...

narrowly defined roles and skill sets and tools.

And the presence of the CEO, who I will argue is the orchestrator in this case,

you know, was important to the optimum functioning of this startup that actually did, you know, a very credible job of conceiving, developing, and launching a product, at least in this simulation.

So, yeah, I think the model that we're talking about here, this tool orchestra, and having the ability to easily –

train and develop an orchestrator for a workflow, Carl, as you were describing, is the way to do it.

And I can't right at the moment say, like, where would I start if I wanted to set such a thing up?

But I know, Carl, you'll do that.

So you do that, and then you tell us how to do it, and I'll feel a lot better about it.

Which reinforces this idea that I think Nate Jones has put forward recently, which is, you know, you need to be multimodal in your – not multimodal, but multimodal in your approach and understand which models do things well.

And, you know, he did a nice comparison between –

Opus 4.5 and Gemini 3.0 and, and Claude, he also did another one about Claude Codex versus, I'm not Claude, GPT-5 Codex and, and Claude Code and, and see what, where the differences are.

And, and then what that asks is how do you put these things together?

For example,

Can I do this with gems?

Can I have gems?

Like I know that you can call in custom GPTs within OpenAI, you can have a custom GPT call another GPT.

So you could create a council of custom GPTs and have them interact, but you'd have to be managing the dialogue in one of those in order to call the others into it.

And that's just a session bound kind of approach.

Can I do it?