Andy Hughes

But a more senior officer would just do what they're trained to do.

It's very clear that these officers did not do what they were trained to do.

It is.

It's right to say that it was Hampshire Police this case.

The Met and other forces are having real trouble recruiting people.

And when they are recruited, they're losing them fast.

I was told by a senior detective today that it's very rare that people are staying past their five years now because policing is already a very difficult job.

There's this really striking stat that if you're a frontline police officer,

you have more than 500 traumatic events throughout your life.

If you're a normal person, you'll be lucky to have less than five, right?

So that's the scale of difference.

And I've been on these ride-alongs several times with these cops who were responding to these incredibly traumatic incidents.

It is one of the most difficult jobs in the world, I would say.

They are...

constantly operating in total chaos.

These situations that they turn up to.

It's so chaotic and they are trained to deal with it with a level head.

It's very clear from this Henry Novak case that that wasn't done.

Yes.

Has it got worse?