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Andy Kroll

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

And it sits at this critical juncture in the American government.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

Congress, as we talked about, passes the laws.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

appropriates the funds, sets the policy agenda.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

And I think a lot of Americans figure that, okay, Congress does that, the money goes to these agencies, the plans, the laws go to the agencies, and that's how our government works.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

But there is this office, OMB, that sits in between Congress and the agencies that in the hands of Russ Fote has become this choke point.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

to cut off funding, to cut off the functioning of programs, and to exert the president's will in a way that we honestly haven't seen since the Nixon administration.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

Not in a permanent official kind of way.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

The director of the Office of Management and Budget can't put a veto on, say, a multibillion-dollar program to support clean energy or to build the Second Avenue subway in New York City.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

That is the role of Congress.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

Again, writes the laws, appropriates the money.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

What OMB does in normal times...

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

is what I've kind of likened to a loving but cautious parent who gives out an allowance to their kids at sort of regular intervals to try to make sure that those kids don't spend the money that's going to them in one fell swoop.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

So OMB apportions money, to use the wonky term, to federal agencies at a kind of

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

regular cadence to basically make sure that, say, the EPA doesn't run out of money two months before the fiscal year's over.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

Agencies have some problems with controlling the spending if they don't have that sort of regulator in place, that cadence coming from OMB.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

So that's what OMB normally does.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

What it has done in a massive way, in an unprecedented way, with Russ Votencharge, is actually say, we're just not going to apportion that money, period.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

We've frozen money that is supposed to go from Congress to, say, the National Institutes of Health or the Environmental Protection Agency or the IRS.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

We're freezing it.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

And they give various reasons.