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Andy Kroll

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233 total appearances

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

It had passed a law that accounted for this money to go to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, to go to foreign aid programs.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

And now the White House said to Congress, we want you to take a vote on rescinding that money, zeroing it out.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

The thing that is striking to me is that Vote tried to do this in the first Trump administration when he had a similar role at the Office of Management and Budget, and ultimately he was the director at the end of the first Trump administration.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

They sent a massive rescissions request in the first Trump administration to Congress, and Congress said no.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

Congress narrowly defeated this measure, and it was seen back then as the legislative branch exerting its will, kind of standing up for itself and saying, we write the laws, we appropriate the money, we don't support you, the White House, coming over here and telling us to undo work that we've already done, the negotiations, the compromises, the dealmaking.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

Fast forward to this summer, vote goes back to the toolkit and sends another rescission request to Congress for Corporation for Public Broadcasting funding, for USAID foreign aid funding, and this time...

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

It passes.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

Congress votes to rescind this money.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

And the effects of that, of course, have been pretty devastating for the programs and agencies affected.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

But then a few months later, the vote takes an even more aggressive step in the same direction.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

He issues what he has called a pocket rescission order.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

What that essentially means is it's a request that went to Congress and said, we want to rescind even more money.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

And this time it was about $5 billion, again, targeting foreign aid.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

But what Vote essentially told Congress was, I don't need your vote.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

I don't need you at all to rescind this money.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

Because the way the law works, Congress has a 45-day period to consider one of these rescission requests, to consider, again, whether to undo work it had already done or

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

Vote sent this request down Pennsylvania Avenue so close to the end of the fiscal year for Congress that he said, I don't need your support.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

The clock is going to run out and the money will go away.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

That is a maneuver that's largely seen as not legal.

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The ‘Shadow President’ Dismantling The Government

Republicans in Congress said as much to vote, but by all indications, he was undaunted by this.