Andy Lowery

And what we're doing with our big rockets and our big defensive systems are using the same thing we would go up against lions against mice.

And it's really that fundamental.

It's that, can you now develop mice-like apparatuses, Raytheon, quickly and short order like they're doing in Ukraine, or are you not rigged to do it?

Are you not set up to do that?

And not that they can't change and not that they can't like bolt on companies like Epirus and let them operate sort of independently and still bring in the human factors and the design-led stuff, but...

It's just not even like appropriate.

It's like, would you ever take a huge gun or a huge...

I don't know what you want to do if you don't say gun like net or what some cage.

Would you have a cage for a lion with the bars this far apart?

You're stuffing mice in it and they're just running through the bars of the cage.

You know, it's like it just isn't the right stuff for this particular fight.

And the right stuff is needs to be here yesterday.

It needs to be here yesterday.

No, you're not wrong, but I wouldn't blame them.

Palmer says this very eloquently.

I've heard him speak on this topic a couple times, Palmer Luckey of Andrew.

He would say they're not incentivized.

to be fast and creative and move very quickly.

They're not incentivized to, at risk, spend $200 million developing a new system that they might have a customer for, but they're not quite sure that they're going to have a customer for.

They're incentivized to listen very, very well to the customer, being the military, and go off like a services company, like when you go to a law firm and you say, hey, law firm, I need you to help me with...