Andy Wakefield

Then Brian Hooker came on the scene and the whole thing changed.

The significance of this, Claire, is that for 14 years, they knew and they put millions of American children at risk of serious permanent neurological disease to protect public confidence in vaccine policymakers.

And they wonder why we are in such a mess right now.

The public no longer trusts them, and the public is right to no longer trust them because they committed a terrible fraud to protect the program.

Not to protect the children, to protect the program.

And that's an absolute disgrace.

The answer is absolutely.

And we decided at that stage that we had to record the conversations.

It was coming firsthand from senior scientists at the CDC.

Brian

because he's more honorable than I am, was initially a little reluctant to do that, but he did it, and he used to drive three hours north so that he could legally record the conversations, and the film came out of it.

Now, people said, well, you just made that up, or it was false, or you... If we had committed defamation, if one word of that film had been wrong or mistaken, we would have been sued to the moon and back again.

There was not a whisper.

not a whisper, because they knew that it was true.

Right now, I'm sitting in a very pretty position in terms of providing you a lot of information.

The first thing that Thompson did was to plot a graph.

Now, if there's no link between early MMR and autism, those two lines should track together.

And they do track together until they get to 15 months.

Then they separate, and they continue to separate thereafter.

And they sliced and diced the data in an effort to get rid of that effect.