Anish Acharya

I haven't met him.

Kipano, right?

Yeah.

So he's got this whole theory of how apps are ephemeral.

Sort of apps and intelligence are these ephemeral things, but files are permanent.

And there's something very elegant and beautiful, and it sort of speaks to what you're describing, which is a file is just the basic unit of information.

Mm-hmm.

And then it can get expressed as a video, as a pod, as all of these different things.

Right.

And the app with which you consume this information may actually change from time to time.

So I don't know if that's right, but something about that direction feels spiritually interesting.

You know, it's interesting if you hear Mark talk about a bunch of the design choices they made when they were designing Netscape.

One of the most controversial choices they made with HTTP was actually have it be plain text on the wire.

Because at the time it was like, well, that's not secure, that's not safe, that's dangerous.

How can you just have plain text on the wire?

So all the wire protocols were encrypted and that was considered the best practice.

And I think Mark and Ben and the team said, let's actually just make it plain text.

It'll be easier to work with, easier to debug.

And that turned out to be a brilliant design decision because it drove a ton of HTTP adoption.

So there's something that sort of mirrors that in what we're seeing right now.