Anita Anand

I mean, they're just floating around, are they?

It also becomes sort of a battle plan.

It becomes a plan that is repeated again and again.

And you can see, you know, always when you see people being wiped out, you see a dehumanization of them.

So Cohen, what he says about the Bandonistas, they're indolent people of whom little good can be expected.

And now he has a modus operandi.

You know, we can get rid of them.

We can import slave labor from Java, from China.

They can do the work.

And that is probably the thinking that leads to one of the worst massacres of Amboina in 1623.

So this is another island, Giles.

Tell us about Amboina.

But Amboina also, it's not a nutmeg island either, is it?

So, I mean, what we can surmise is that we have always been really shitty to each other.

I mean, throughout history, this is awful.

They also did fire torture.

Describe what fire torture is, because we have waterboarding, but we don't have the equivalent in fire, do we?

Despite the Dryden play, despite the outrage, the English government ends up, Giles, doing precisely nothing about it.

This situation where the Dutch dominate a trade from Banda and the islands around it, Nutmeg is flowing into Amsterdam in huge quantities.

It's making the Dutch East India Company enormously wealthy.