Anita Arnand

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Willie, I wanted to ask you a question.

Sadat has won a seat at the table, but at what cost?

Can you talk us through numbers?

I mean, how many are killed?

Is this a tale of two stories, both sides, Egypt and Israel, claiming victory?

Is that where we are?

So sort of these founding fathers and mothers, if you like, are sort of, you know, not trusted because, you know, how did you not see this coming?

There'll be a commission that looks into the failure of intelligence in the run up to this.

And the nation, you know, again, facing what it thinks is an existential threat to state, then turns to Likud, the right-wing conservative party under Menachem Begin, are in power.

They're the ones who are trusted and there are consequences there.

I just want to go back to the question of America's involvement and oil, because 1973 doesn't just transform what Israel thinks of its own security, getting Egypt back in the spotlight, it transforms the global economy too.

Can you speak a little bit to that?

This is the time where the Shah of Iran realizes, you know what?

You've not been taking me that seriously either.

We've got OPEC.

I got oil.

And there is a lot of muscle flexing that causes absolute panic in the State Department in the United States, particularly when formally tame powers or tame leaders are suddenly turning around saying, you know what?

actually, no, we have our hand on the taps because we got all the oil and we can turn it off.