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And how does he get that moniker?

Well, he's considered the architect of modern Colombia.

He serves as vice president to Bolivar.

And while Bolivar is conquering lands, Santander is trying to work out how you run a country.

So he is working very hard to establish a legal constitutional foundation for this new territory that is in Bolivar's head.

And he's methodical.

He's detail obsessed.

He's the kind of person, exactly the kind of person you want to create a system of laws for a new nation.

Which is unusual and weird because he knew it was important.

When he wrote the Jamaica letters in 1815, he knew it was important.

Now, four or five years later, he's not really thinking about it at all.

Santander starts to bug him.

So Santander is sort of bunkered down trying to create his constitutional federalist state.

That's what he is trying to do.

But Bolivar, no, he's off.

He's liberating.

That's what he's doing.

You know, he's now built up a head of steam.

So that's the only thing he's thinking of.

And this rift of, you know, Santander saying, you know, what do you think about this?