Ann Preisman

Hi, Josh. How are you?

Love talking to you.

I was a booker back in 97, and I was an assistant producer. So it's just like the lowest on the rung.

I was on something called booking duty where you go through all the papers and this and that. And it's before the internet mostly. So you were doing all the wires and stitching together something to our boss who says, great, thanks. But that morning, the Daily News had a story that I, you know, it was going to be enormous. And so I handed her the note.

I went downstairs to smoke a cigarette, which I no longer do, but it was my 20s. And for the next few weeks, it was just 90% of my time. It was a fun story to work on, mainly because the developments were everywhere. And I got to meet Keith for the first time.

No, we know each other. We've traveled the world together.

I think as much as seasoned influence, you can't survive maximum security male prison thinking of your mother's guidance. But one thing, I think this is not even a theory. If you were raised as a con artist, it's great training to negotiate prison in a certain way because you know how to target people, befriend people, get things out of people who

Yeah. Keith did a really great job of making sure like we handled both, you know?

I don't have to kiss up anymore. He likes me.

The other thing is she didn't go through the normal front door kind of way of, you know, in New York city of buying an apartment and getting approvals to take the, you know, 90 days and doing that. She was, she was trying to go around it. And frankly, it's something in my mind. What partly brought her down is the incredibly antiquated real estate laws of New York City.

I also don't think Sante could have survived in a legit business. Like, you know, the nine to five, just keeping up with what's... No.