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Anna Lembke

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Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

Well, this is a very dire concern of mine as well, especially because I feel like there is a pretty good solution for it, which is to say I believe that schools from elementary to middle school to high school should have top-down policies where phones are not allowed during school hours.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

And this top-down policy means that everybody has to be off of their phone.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

You eliminate the problem of FOMO or fear of missing out, which is a big driver of what gets kids going back online, in addition to the fact that these devices are just inherently highly reinforcing and addictive.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

But when you have these top-down policies, it's a relief for kids.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

Everybody's off their phone.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

They have to be.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

And there are some really clever things that schools, some schools are doing now.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

For example, there are these pouches that in some schools, kids, when they come to school in the morning, they put their device in the pouch.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

The pouch is sealed or locked.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

Then the kid keeps their phone with them, but they can't receive or transmit during the school day.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

And at the end of the school day, the device is unlocked and kids can have their phones back and go back on their phones again.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

And schools that are doing this are reporting that schools are noisy again.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

Why are they noisy?

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

Because kids are interacting with each other.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

There's also a private school in Massachusetts, the Buxton School, that took phones away from their private high school students.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

And they noticed huge improvements in psychological and emotional well-being.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

And I just think this is just...

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

both hopeful and also completely tragic that we are not en masse making this just standard policy for primary schools all the way up through 12th grade.

Hidden Brain
The Path to Enough

It's not fair to kids, it's not fair to teachers, it's not fair to anybody that these incredibly compelling devices create the kinds of environments that make it really difficult for folks to learn.