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Anna Sussman

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241 total appearances

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Snap Judgment
Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

The place Amika and the other firefighters call home is actually inside a prison.

Snap Judgment
Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

It's called Medeir County Station 5 CCWF.

Snap Judgment
Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

And it's a little brick firehouse with two engines and a handful of rolled hoses, a bunk room with 12 neatly made cots, a little open kitchen and a captain's office.

Snap Judgment
Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

And there, 12 incarcerated women train and work out, wash fire trucks and go to sleep, all inside the barbed wire fence of one of the largest women's prisons in the world, the Central California Women's Facility, CCWF.

Snap Judgment
Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

Is there a moment when they kind of lock you in?

Snap Judgment
Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

From Wondry and Snap Studios at KQED, I'm Anna Sussman, and this is Fire Escape, the story of a woman whose world burned down, and then she learned to fight fire from behind bars.

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Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

This is Episode 1, The Crash.

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Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

There were nearly 2,000 women locked inside the Central California Women's Facility at the time Amika entered.

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Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

Women at all custody levels.

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Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

Women serving sentences for crimes ranging from embezzlement to homicide to possession of drugs.

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Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

And when I first began interviewing women here, about 20 years ago, they would each always tell me the same thingβ€”

Snap Judgment
Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

about the shame they endured as women prisoners.

Snap Judgment
Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

They had let down their families, their parents, their children.

Snap Judgment
Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

They felt they had failed as women.

Snap Judgment
Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

It's something corrections officers taunt them about, something their kids, friends, parents make comments about.

Snap Judgment
Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

I remember interviewing a woman under the shadow of the high prison wall and her saying casually, we're women, we're not supposed to commit crimes.

Snap Judgment
Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

We're not supposed to be here.

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Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

And that comment meant so many things about women who are convicted of crimes and in prison and what everyone thinks of them forever.

Snap Judgment
Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

When I first met Amika, it was clear she was very aware of this narrative.

Snap Judgment
Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

When Amika talked about the calls she responded to as an incarcerated first responder, it seemed hers was a story of defying a system intent on burying her under the weight of her worst moment.