Annaka Harris

And as soon as there's light, it acts on that information.

Even if you keep it in a moist, warm environment, it's not going to reach out for the cup of coffee when you come in with Starbucks.

So that's a separate fact.

But anyway, so if you just use the analogy of a petendril, and if you imagine, which is something I like to do a lot, if you imagine this plant has some kind of conscious experience, of course it doesn't have complex thought, it doesn't have

anything like a human experience, but if it were possible for a plant to have some felt experience, you can imagine that when it comes into contact with a branch and starts to coil, that that feeling could be one of,

deciding to do that or that it feels good to do that or kind of wanting.

I mean, that's too complex.

That's anthropomorphizing.

But there's a way in which you could imagine this pea tendril under those circumstances suddenly wants to start coiling.

Yeah, and you don't actually need that for this analogy, the larger analogy that I'm getting at, but I think that's an interesting piece to keep in mind, that you could imagine that in nature, if there's a conscious experience associated with a pea tendril, that at that moment, what that feels like is,

a want to start moving in a different way.

Yes.

Exactly.

So that, yeah, that's where I'm going with this.

Sure.

So and when you start making that connection, you can see where there are a few points at which there's room for an illusion to come in for our own feelings of will.

So when we move from a pea tendril to human decision making, obviously, human decision making, human brains are important.

many, many, many times more complex than whatever is going on in a p-tendril.

I mean, the brain is actually the most complex thing we know of in the universe thus far.

So there is the genes that help develop the brain into any particular brain into what it is.